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the "news nation" is following where things regard right now with the fiscal cliff and there's hot rhetoric to go around. >> our members believe strongly that raising tax rates will hurt the economy. closing loopholes, especially on those who are wealthy, is a better way to raise this revenue. >> in order for us to raise the amount of revenue that's needed just by closing deductions and loopholes for high earners we'd have to, for example, eliminate or severely cap the char itible deduction. >> an obsession to raise taxes not going to solve the problem. what will solve the problem is doing something about the entitlements, taking on the wasteful spending in washington. >> and meantime, "the new york times" jonathan wiseman reports behind the scene republican leaders are considering the president's plan to extend middle class tax cuts now an address the debt and spending in the new year. here's republican senator tom coburn on "morning joe." >> actually, i would rather see the rates go up than the other way and greater chance to broaden the base in the future. >> do something, a down payment
the "news nation" is following where things regard right now with the fiscal cliff and there's hot rhetoric to go around. >> our members believe strongly that raising tax rates will hurt the economy. closing loopholes, especially on those who are wealthy, is a better way to raise this revenue. >> in order for us to raise the amount of revenue that's needed just by closing deductions and loopholes for high earners we'd have to, for example, eliminate or severely cap the...
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cou you couldn't smoke until 5:00 at your desk. >> "usa today" , sue davis, all your fiscal cliff news. >> always knows the hill as well as anybody. that's it for this edition. tomorrow on the show, all the results from our first post-election nbc/"wall street journal" poll. coming up next, chris jansing. bye-bye. with the simmons family. how much is your current phone bill? four sixteen seventy six a month! okay, come with me -- we're gonna save you money. with straight talk at walmart, you get unlimited talk, text and data for only $45 a month per phone. would we get the same coverage? same coverage on america's best networks. you saved $146.76 by switching to straight talk. awesome! now you can afford to share your allowance with me. get the season's hottest smartphones like the samsung galaxy s2 and get straight talk with unlimited data for just $45 a month -- from america's gift headquarters. walmart. ♪ ♪ boo! i am the ghost of meals past. when you don't use new pam, this is what you get. residue. [ female announcer ] bargain brand cooking spray leaves annoying residue. that's
cou you couldn't smoke until 5:00 at your desk. >> "usa today" , sue davis, all your fiscal cliff news. >> always knows the hill as well as anybody. that's it for this edition. tomorrow on the show, all the results from our first post-election nbc/"wall street journal" poll. coming up next, chris jansing. bye-bye. with the simmons family. how much is your current phone bill? four sixteen seventy six a month! okay, come with me -- we're gonna save you money. with...
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say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. ♪ >>> viewers of the show know that the fiscal cliff is not as dramatic as that. it's a fiscal curve, at least at first. but if we go off and stay off the fiscal curve, we will eventually hit the recession cliff. on "meet the press" sunday there were different opinions about whether congressional republicans or president obama would be blamed if there is a recession. >> we've got to get this behind us once and for all. >> i don't want to do it, the president doesn't want to do it, but we need to solve the problem. we cannot allow the reckless position to drive us into a recession, a recession which the republicans will own. >> this does real damage to the economy and to millions of people if going over the cliff. this is not an abstraction. the polls support him that the republicans will own this recession, will last about one month because presidents own recessions. presidents own dramatic improvements and things. we live in the obama era, not the john boehner -- >> joining me now is robert reich, professor at the university of califor
say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. ♪ >>> viewers of the show know that the fiscal cliff is not as dramatic as that. it's a fiscal curve, at least at first. but if we go off and stay off the fiscal curve, we will eventually hit the recession cliff. on "meet the press" sunday there were different opinions about whether congressional republicans or president obama would be blamed if there is a recession. >> we've got to get this behind us once and for...
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incidentally, the same time frame necessary to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. it's wednesday, december 12th, and this is "now." >>> joining me today, msnbc contributor and political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein holding it down stag style. jane mayer from "the new yorker" is here. bbc world news america anchor and former traveling press secretary for the obama campaign jen socky. this is the speed of the fiscal cliff negotiations. blink and you just might miss exactly nothing. while talks between speaker boehner and president obama over the past three days have been shrouded in secrecy, we've learned there have been two offers put on the table. the white house sent boehner a proposal on monday calling for $1.4 trillion in tax revenue, $200 billion less than the original offer. might that seal the deal? >> the president's called for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> okay then. the speaker's office responded with a deal of its own. yesterday it included precisely the same amoun
incidentally, the same time frame necessary to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. it's wednesday, december 12th, and this is "now." >>> joining me today, msnbc contributor and political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein holding it down stag style. jane mayer from "the new yorker" is here. bbc world news america anchor and former traveling press secretary for the obama campaign jen socky. this is the speed of the...
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cliff. the president is john boehner are facing off for what couldçe a down to the wire nail-biter of a fiscal fight. indeed, the stakes are so high, the pressure so intense, that the house is calling it quits for the week. giving themselves another much deserved break. of course, not before demanding action from the president. >> where are the specifics? where are the discussions? nothing is going on, so we asked the president, sit down with us. >> i'll be here, i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving this problem. >> of course the speaker had to clarify that since the house is not back in session till tuesday. leaving just three days on the legislative calendar to get a deal. don't work too hard, guys. the president began his day meeting with business leaders a suring them he passionately roots for their success. even as he broke the news face to face that their taxes are going up. >>. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%
cliff. the president is john boehner are facing off for what couldçe a down to the wire nail-biter of a fiscal fight. indeed, the stakes are so high, the pressure so intense, that the house is calling it quits for the week. giving themselves another much deserved break. of course, not before demanding action from the president. >> where are the specifics? where are the discussions? nothing is going on, so we asked the president, sit down with us. >> i'll be here, i'll be available...
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. >>> is john boehner packing his parachute to jump off the fiscal cliff or will he figure it out? it's thursday, december 13th, and this is "now." i'm joy reid filling in for the lovely alex wagner. msnbc political analyst and editor at large at salon.com and also my pal joan walsh politico senior political editor maggie haberman and time assistant managing editor rona. with christmas less than two weeks away it's seeming more likely that america will see santa claus before it sees a deal on the fiscal cliff. the house majority and minority leaders issued a clear message today and yesterday don't book your plane tickets. >> we don't know if we would be home for the rest of hanukkah or christmas. let's really get real about this if we're going to have a solution, and let's stay here and sit at that table. >> we've said we're committed to staying here. we're going to stay here right up until christmas eve throughout the time and period before the new year. >> there are no talks scheduled today between the president and house speaker boehner. meanwhile, fed chairman ben bernanke, the
. >>> is john boehner packing his parachute to jump off the fiscal cliff or will he figure it out? it's thursday, december 13th, and this is "now." i'm joy reid filling in for the lovely alex wagner. msnbc political analyst and editor at large at salon.com and also my pal joan walsh politico senior political editor maggie haberman and time assistant managing editor rona. with christmas less than two weeks away it's seeming more likely that america will see santa claus before...
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cliff deal. look at the numbers from the "new york times" to see why. there are 234 house republican there's this 113th congress. 85% of them won re-election easily with at least 55% of the vote. and almost all were re-elect we'd the promise not to raise taxes. so what is their obligation to their voters and can john boehner make a switch palatable? i'm joined now by former ohio governor ted strickland and former campaign manager for mike huckabee chip satsman. good morning. >> good morning. >> what do the lawmakers owe their constituents on the promise not to raise tax she's. >> i think they owe the country. good governance. and obviously every member of congress has an obligation to their particular district and their particular constituents, but they also have a larger obligation, i believe, to the well-being of the country as a total. and so we are in a situation where some difficult decisions have to be made, but i believe the well being of the country must take precedent over every other co
cliff deal. look at the numbers from the "new york times" to see why. there are 234 house republican there's this 113th congress. 85% of them won re-election easily with at least 55% of the vote. and almost all were re-elect we'd the promise not to raise taxes. so what is their obligation to their voters and can john boehner make a switch palatable? i'm joined now by former ohio governor ted strickland and former campaign manager for mike huckabee chip satsman. good morning. >>...
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we begin, though, with some news, the latest on the rapidly approaching fiscal cliff deadline and what appears to be a stalemate in the negotiationses. in his first interview since the election president obama reiterated his demand that any deal must raise taxes on the highest earners. but yesterday the president also appeared to showroom for flexibility on lowering those tax rates in the future. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgement that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and further reforms entitlements i'm prepared to make that we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up, and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. what i suggest is let's essentially put a down payment on taxes. let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform. we look at what loopholes and deductions bot
we begin, though, with some news, the latest on the rapidly approaching fiscal cliff deadline and what appears to be a stalemate in the negotiationses. in his first interview since the election president obama reiterated his demand that any deal must raise taxes on the highest earners. but yesterday the president also appeared to showroom for flexibility on lowering those tax rates in the future. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. the issue right...
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we'll show you his big idea for the fiscal cliff. >>> welcome back. we love hearing from you viewers from twitter and facebook. many of you are responding to the passage of the so-called right to work law in michigan. the republican controlled house in that state backed by a republican governor. michael calls it, right-to-work, a slick law that goes against the wishes of michigan workers and got squeezed through by radical party. marge says, it won't be a republican controlled house for long. the unions will fight back just like in illinois and wisconsin. and bob predicts rick schneider is going to be a one-term governor. >>> coming up, dick cheney criticizes the president's handling of the wars he helped start. colonel lawrence wilkerson is here to respond. >>> welcome back. 27 days after karl rove made a fool of himself on fox, bush's brain is back in action. rove and dick morris were benched by fox brass after being completely wrong about the 2012 election. on monday, the fox straight news show was granted special permission to put mr. rove back on
we'll show you his big idea for the fiscal cliff. >>> welcome back. we love hearing from you viewers from twitter and facebook. many of you are responding to the passage of the so-called right to work law in michigan. the republican controlled house in that state backed by a republican governor. michael calls it, right-to-work, a slick law that goes against the wishes of michigan workers and got squeezed through by radical party. marge says, it won't be a republican controlled house...
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we begin this morning with new urgency in the fiscal cliff negotiations with now just 21 days to reach a deal. that's three weeks. today president obama returns to campaign mode, taking his fiscal cliff message to detroit. yesterday the president and speaker boehner met privately at the white house. their first face-to-face meeting since they agreed last week to clear everyone else out of the negotiating room. neither side revealed anything about the meeting that was part of the agreement. only saying that the lines of communication remain open. but yesterday another influential republican, senator bob corker from the senate banking committee, said his party should consider the president's position on raising tax rates on the wealthy. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate's in the democrats' hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory, and i actually think it has merit where you go ahead and giv
we begin this morning with new urgency in the fiscal cliff negotiations with now just 21 days to reach a deal. that's three weeks. today president obama returns to campaign mode, taking his fiscal cliff message to detroit. yesterday the president and speaker boehner met privately at the white house. their first face-to-face meeting since they agreed last week to clear everyone else out of the negotiating room. neither side revealed anything about the meeting that was part of the agreement. only...
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>>> the associated press is now reporting that the white house offered a new fiscal cliff proposal to the house gop since their meeting sunday. just this afternoon speaker's office countered. speaker boehner has refused to comment, but the speaker himself, well, he had an early christmas greeting for the white house today from the floor. >> we know that the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts or reforms. now, that's not fixing our problem. frankly, it's making it worse. >> congressman joe courtney is a democrat from connecticut and he joins us in the studio. welcome, sir. great to have you. do you have any idea what the fresh deal may be? >> no. i mean, the transparency in this process has been zero. and to some degree i think people understand that private conversation is good, but this is moving at an incredible snail's pace given the fact that at some point the public does need to know what's going on and certainly the caucuses who vote on this. >> speaker boehner's caucus needs to know. >> absolutely. >> i mean, do you think, f
>>> the associated press is now reporting that the white house offered a new fiscal cliff proposal to the house gop since their meeting sunday. just this afternoon speaker's office countered. speaker boehner has refused to comment, but the speaker himself, well, he had an early christmas greeting for the white house today from the floor. >> we know that the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts or reforms. now, that's not fixing...
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doubt by a margin of 18 points, americans trust the president and democrats to avoid the fiscal cliff over republicans. the same poll gave president obama his highest approval rating in three years, with 53% support. in the next hour and a half, president obama will continue the great reasonableness tour of 2012. visiting a middle class family in northern virginia with the aim of putting more pressure on congress to extend middle income tax cuts. majority leader harry reid did his part for the cause on the senate floor today. >> so it's apparent how this will end. the only question is, when will it end? it's how long will speaker boehner make middle class families wait for relief and how long will he force the financial markets to wait for uncertainty. >> joining the panel now, the sage of capitol hill, the seasonally elegant luke russert. >> thank you so much for having me. >> you get a special intro when you arrive on set a little late. thrilled to have you here, with ongoing deliberation on capitol hill, you are the eyes. >> eyes and ears hopefully. yet i'm here, congress is recess
doubt by a margin of 18 points, americans trust the president and democrats to avoid the fiscal cliff over republicans. the same poll gave president obama his highest approval rating in three years, with 53% support. in the next hour and a half, president obama will continue the great reasonableness tour of 2012. visiting a middle class family in northern virginia with the aim of putting more pressure on congress to extend middle income tax cuts. majority leader harry reid did his part for the...
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. >>> so as the country teeters on the edge of this fiscal cliff, the republican party appears to have already gone over the image cliff. in our "deep dive" today, we're going to dig into our new poll to see what it says about the party brand going forward. using responses to our nbc/"wall street journal" poll, look at how people describe the gop, words like, bad, weak, negative, uncompromising, out of touch. 1 10 of the top 11 responses were negative. less than 20% were positive overall. let's look at the word cloud when asked about the democratic brand, if you will. the top description in the party is that it's, quote, for the people and the working class. another top answer was they're doing a good job. they didn't got off the hook, though. confused and misguided was the second most common description. in raw numbers, the democrats are at a plus 9 positive rating, the gop underwater, negative 15% to 30% approve, 45% disapprove, as can you see there, not good at this point in time. mika, let me start with your side of the aisle now. i dug into the cross tabs. the only two groups that
. >>> so as the country teeters on the edge of this fiscal cliff, the republican party appears to have already gone over the image cliff. in our "deep dive" today, we're going to dig into our new poll to see what it says about the party brand going forward. using responses to our nbc/"wall street journal" poll, look at how people describe the gop, words like, bad, weak, negative, uncompromising, out of touch. 1 10 of the top 11 responses were negative. less than 20%...
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. >> tonight, democratic whip steny hoyer gives me the latest fiscal cliff developments and the democratic line on medicare. tom perriello from the center of american progress action fund on how democrats can deal with republicans who can't deal with reality. rubio and ryan reload with a new message for the middle class. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. >> but there is no escaping their own policies. >> we're going to a majority of takers versus makers in america. >> dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz responds tonight. plus, senator barbara boxer on her new plan for national polling place standards. and a new poll shows half of all republicans think the defunct group a.c.o.r.n. stole the election from president obama. >> that's an eye opener. >> i wonder where they ever got that idea? >> you just have to wait and see what happens. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. here is are the latest. republicans are at a stalemate with the white house for debt negotiations. republicans really only have two options now, bad and wo
. >> tonight, democratic whip steny hoyer gives me the latest fiscal cliff developments and the democratic line on medicare. tom perriello from the center of american progress action fund on how democrats can deal with republicans who can't deal with reality. rubio and ryan reload with a new message for the middle class. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. >> but there is no escaping their own policies. >> we're going to a majority...
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thanks for watching details of the latest fiscal cliff counteroffer from the white house have emerged, and republicans are still whining and complaining. the white house confirmed their new offer has $1.4 billion in revenue from higher taxes on the wealthy. the previous offer was $1.6 billion. the white house is offering $340 billion in cuts to medicare and $250 billion in cuts to other programs. president obama spoke to abc's barbara walters about taxes on the rich going up whether republicans like it or not. >> prediction. are you going to be able to raise taxes? yes or no. >> oh, taxes are going to go up one way or the other. >> they are? >> and i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on the high-end individuals like you and me, barbara, we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up with a deal, but time is running short. >> the full interview between president obama and barbara walters will air friday at 10:00 p.m. on abc. we do know the president said this. "i'd like to see a big package, but the most important thing we can do is to make sure that middle cl
thanks for watching details of the latest fiscal cliff counteroffer from the white house have emerged, and republicans are still whining and complaining. the white house confirmed their new offer has $1.4 billion in revenue from higher taxes on the wealthy. the previous offer was $1.6 billion. the white house is offering $340 billion in cuts to medicare and $250 billion in cuts to other programs. president obama spoke to abc's barbara walters about taxes on the rich going up whether republicans...
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cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2%. >> "the new york times" reports that senior republican leadership aides are contemplating a fall-back position on a fiscal deal. they could foresee taking up and passing legislation this month to extend the tax cuts for the middle class and then resume the bitter fight over spending and taxes as the nation approaches the next hard deadline. it's statutory borrowingç limi which could be reached in late january or february. speaking to a business roundtable, president obama responded to that idea this way. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did this it last year, i will not play that game. >> john boehner and house republican leadership met with small business owners today to
cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2%. >> "the new york times" reports that senior republican leadership aides are contemplating a fall-back position on a fiscal deal. they could foresee taking up and passing legislation this month to extend the tax cuts for the middle class and then resume the bitter fight over spending and taxes as the nation approaches the next hard deadline. it's statutory...
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cliff. and with 12 days to christmas, boehner has had his 12 drummers drumming to the beat of spending is the problem. boehner started the day with a chart prepared by drummer boy paul ryan and after taking the serious step of launching a twitter hash tag, he declared that the president is not serious about the debt. >> here we are at the 11th hour and the president still isn't serious about dealing with this issue right here. it's this issue, spending. >> are you feeling the christmas spirit yet? well, despite the strife, the president's kept his holiday cheer. >> how are you feeling about a deal? optimistic? >> it's a work in progress. >> speaker boehner says he's waiting to hear more from you, sir. >> merry christmas. >> we sure hope so, mr. president. let's see what can be done about it. let's bring in our panel here in new york. ken vogel, chief investigative reporter for politico and william cohen author of "money and power." and nbc's mike viqueira. mike, you are there on the hill for
cliff. and with 12 days to christmas, boehner has had his 12 drummers drumming to the beat of spending is the problem. boehner started the day with a chart prepared by drummer boy paul ryan and after taking the serious step of launching a twitter hash tag, he declared that the president is not serious about the debt. >> here we are at the 11th hour and the president still isn't serious about dealing with this issue right here. it's this issue, spending. >> are you feeling the...
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it seems like quietly we're making progress on the fiscal cliff, people are saying garbage out in public. john boehner sitting down with the president, seems these two men are getting the job done. >> i think it is real. the president, no public events yesterday. even yesterday's event was never designed to be a fiscal cliff photo-op. there are very few fiscal cliff photo-ops planned this week. it is serious business. they have to come to a framework at the end of this week if they're going to get it written in time and passed in time so they all don't have to spend christmas in washington. joe, realize, whatever deal they agree to, it will be very fragile and it's likely to include more triggers for the end of next year. so they'll agree to some tax reform. if they can't write it, then say the highest tax rate will move from 37 to 39. on entitlements, they'll agree they have to find a certain amount of money and special commission but if they don't agree to it maybe the eligibility age goes automatically up. they'll be sort of sequester triggers to force the action so the deal whatever
it seems like quietly we're making progress on the fiscal cliff, people are saying garbage out in public. john boehner sitting down with the president, seems these two men are getting the job done. >> i think it is real. the president, no public events yesterday. even yesterday's event was never designed to be a fiscal cliff photo-op. there are very few fiscal cliff photo-ops planned this week. it is serious business. they have to come to a framework at the end of this week if they're...
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well, with 25 days to go until the year-end fiscal cliff deadline, president obama and speaker boehner spoke on the phone yesterday for the first time in days. both men agreed not to publicly characterize how the conversation went. but the stalemate in negotiations entered new territory yesterday with treasury secretary tim geithner suggesting the white house is ready to go off the cliff if republicans refuse to raise taxes on the 2%. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans -- remember, it's only 2%. the size of the problem in some sense is so large, it can't be solved without rates going up as part of that. again, i think there's broad recognition of that reality now. >> one fallback option republicans are reportedly considering is to accept tax cuts for the middle class, allow rates to go up for the wealthiest, and then start the fight over again during debt limit talks early next
well, with 25 days to go until the year-end fiscal cliff deadline, president obama and speaker boehner spoke on the phone yesterday for the first time in days. both men agreed not to publicly characterize how the conversation went. but the stalemate in negotiations entered new territory yesterday with treasury secretary tim geithner suggesting the white house is ready to go off the cliff if republicans refuse to raise taxes on the 2%. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the...